Building an iDevice Guitar Interface Cable
A few months back, I purchased the ultimate unnecessary-but-awesome gadget: the iPad 2.
With the availability of apps like Amplitube, AmpKit, and Garage Band, it’s immediately obvious how this device can be an amazing guitar learning and practicing tool. I’ll talk more about that in another article. But before you can plug in your guitar, you need a special interface…
In part 1 of this 3-part video series, I introduce the project- how to make your own impedance matching, buffered guitar interface for the Apple iPad, iPod touch and iPhone. These iDevices all share a similar headphone/microphone jack specification, so this circuit should work with all of them.
I’ll show you why a simple unbuffered cable interconnect will sound terrible- because of the significant impedance mismatch between a passive guitar circuit and the iDevice mic jack. Also, the iDevice provides a 2.8V DC on the mic input to drive a microphone preamp, and as you’ll hear, this voltage totally screws up your guitar circuit.
This isn’t intended to be an ultra-high-fidelity interface. But trust me, it sounds good and costs very little. And the principals learned in this simple electronics project are the same as those required to make a guitar boost pedal like the Fulltone Fatboost.
In parts 2 and 3, I’ll explain all the electronics and show you how to assemble the interface, but for now, let’s get started:
And here’s some of the things you’ll need:
A 4 conductor cable, like these. Note the tip-ring-ring-sleeve connector:
Also, a female 3.5mm phone jack for your headphones, and a 1/4” female jack for your guitar:
I’ll cover the electronics components in part 2.
Tagged with: Electronics • iPad • JFET • Preamp • Video
Great to view but where’s part 2?
@Vandebilt – Nice rhyme!
I’ll upload part 2 today. And part 3 tomorrow.
Fun because I know how it ends up…..
You definitely have the behind-the-scenes scoop.
Like – I shot most of this video in JUNE, and it took me this long to edit it all and tie up all the loose ends. I’m still shooting a couple of overdubs today for parts 2 and 3! I’m such an obsessive perfectionist. It’ll never be good enough- finally, I just have to cut the cord
-John
are the other parts online yet?
Sweet, now gimme soma dat part 2
you big tease!
Cant wait for 2 and 3, love your videos!
I always enjoy your videos. As an electronics major and weekend guitar player, you always have cool projects and things to keep me inspired!
@CoandCaSSTB – great to hear, thanks!
John Planetz aka Mr Gadget.!
You’re the man!!
You are THE MAN John! You must be an electrician at your day job? I’m going to school soon for electrical engineering. EXCELLENT VID!!! A+ Thanks for making vids, and keep ‘em coming!
@wseeback – I’m not an electronics expert- just an enthusiast. I work as a software engineer at Korg R&D, coding the embedded realtime engine inside the oasys and kronos synthesizers.
Neat! I wonder if something similar could be built for an android device like the moto defy.
@gullywoots – if it has a headphone/mic jack like the ipad, with voltage to power electret mics, then you certainly could. Just find the pinout and specs and adapt as necessary. If you do it, please post back and let me know
hey man, i’m definately gonna do this! thanks. just for interest sake, is it only impedance matching it does?(apart from splitting the signal) if so, will a normal D.I. Box match the impedance, if i use the right connectors? it would mean a lot less soldering….
@lekosiet – it does impedance matching, and buffers out the mic preamp voltage. An appropriate transformer would accomplish the same thing, but I haven’t tried it. Try your direct box and see what happens!
I’ve used the 5457 as interface to my laptop but I’m having a hissing sound though. Is there other way to do this? I did connect my output to the laptop mic input and the latency is acceptable but I can’t stand the hissing noise. Thanks in advance John…
Not a hissing sound but more of a steady high pitch sound (Like a sound from an oscillator).
Hello John, nice tutorial. Very simple. But i can ´t buy mpf102 transistor here. Please how do i select right transistor and resistor.
I listed some alternate parts in the schematic at the top of this post:
http://www.planetz.com/?p=1531
J201, 2n5457, 2n5458 will all work. You’ll need to change the source resistor a bit. You can scan through the comments in that post for suggested resistor values that people have tried.
Good luck!
John
Hi, i used a BF245A transistor and i tried a lot of resistor. Finally i used 560Ohm source resistor. Hope be useful. Thanks a lot for guide
Thanks for letting us know!
Happy to hear you got it working.
-John
Can I replace the MPF102 with a 2SC1815???
Also, Can this damage my Ipod at all?
Anything’s possible, but I’d guess it’s unlikely you’ll damage your ipod.
-John
For this project, better to use a JFET.
-John
Hi, I want to build a pickup for my acoustic guitar and connect to my ipod then to my stereo. I was thinking using a piezo transducer, should I use this circuit as a preamp? Can you help me?
I haven’t tried it, but I suspect it may work fine. It’s very simple to prototype and breadboard – try it and see how it goes!
-John
Hi,
I did this last night. It DOES work, but not perfectly. I have this connected to a mid-2011 iMac. I’m only getting .7 volts DC between red lead and ground instead of the 2.8 VDC that this device wants to see. Is this a compatibility issue with the iMac vs the handheld devices?
Thanks,
Michael
I believe the iMac only has line in, no powered mic in. This was certainly the case when I tested on a 2011 Mac Book Pro.
So unfortunately, I don’t think you’ll have good success with this cable and the iMac.
John
can you teach how to build the one that connects to the usb port of ipad?
Making an interface for the 30-pin dock is a much more complicated effort, and would require becoming a licensed apple MFi developer. I don’t think it would be worth the effort unless you were planning to seriously get into iOS dock-accessory development.
thanks for your information.
another question do you know what is ettus research USRP n210 and what it does to an ios device?
Looks like a development platform with a Xilinx FPGA, for development of things like mobile phones, special radios, etc. See their website for more info.
Not something you’d use directly with an iOS device.
Thanks for this video… just pulling parts together and seeing what I’ll need to purchase. One use I had in mind for this was as a virtual pedal board. I’m assuming that I can add a stereo 1/8″ to Mono 1/4″ jack to the headphone jack, and connect to my amp’s send/receive loop. Any problem with that?
Hi have not found the 470 pf
can i replace with an other
thanks
Tried it using a headphone with built in mic. For some reason the two rings kept shorting out… tried everything I could think of. Will try again with better cable if I can find one…
hi john… u are great… anyway i just asking bout using your schematic to garage band…. is it ok ? cause i never try it… i dont have garage band yet…
Thanks john
Yes, it works fine in garage band.
John
another question john…. i have 3 option similar schematic, but i dont wich one better… cause im not a guitarist,
Another schematic:
http://sgitornado.altervista.org/diyirig.html
another schematic:
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=85913.60
Big Thanks john
I obviously like the simplicity and size of my circuit. There’s nothing wrong with those schematics you linked – they just have more filtering, etc.
John
Built one using an enclosure to get the common ground I needed. Couldn’t find a 4 conductor cable with individual ground wires… I guess that would have been an 8 conductor cable. Problem I couldn’t out-think was how to get a ground to each of the split runs.
Also, have you tried this with an electric uke? I’m assuming it would be the same circuit?
http://www.amazon.com/Stagg-EUK-L-BK-Electric-Ukulele/dp/B005LD293C/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_1_0
My 4-conductor wire had a shield around each wire, available to be used as ground. They’re all electrically continuous to the plug shield. I demonstrate this is in my video starting at 3:10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1T8QmQowVQ#t=3m10s
If you’re asking if you can plug an electric Uke into an iDevice using this circuit, then I think it should work just like any other electric guitar.
-John
Hi John,
Thanks for all the great videos they have been very helpful to me and the links in your excellent blog are also priceless.
I am working on my own Pick up modelling pedal at the moment and this is as far as I have got.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trb3UAXWNn8
A couple of more weeks should get me somewhere near finished I think.
Thanks again
Roger
Hi Roger,
Interesting project! I’ve never worked with Arduino, but it’s been on my to-do list for some time. Such an inspiring platform.
-John
http://techwatch.keeward.com/geeks-and-nerds/arduino-vs-raspberry-pi-vs-cubieboard-vs-gooseberry-vs-apc-rock-vs-olinuxino-vs-hackberry-a10/
Hi John,
The Arduino is great and a fantastic learning tool. The creators of Raspberry Pi introduced it to get people back into programming as it was back in my School days ( Late 70′s)it was the PI that turned me on to Arduino and together they become the dynamic duo and peace will return to Gothem City.
In seriousness the Arduino, Pi, Beagle, Micro controller Community has really energised my own studies and the direction of my own creativity, coupled with Pure Data and also the Linux Audio project the vista of opportunities is both broad daunting yet very beautiful.
Its an exhilarating learning curve and your videos communicate the satisfaction and self affirmation that can be gleaned with some effort and not a little time. The results when applied to ones other hobbies though, are hugely rewarding.
In the initial link a new board called the Cubino is referenced and compared to the choices available in developer board world. I do like the look of that for my planned Rakarrack pedal which I am dubbing the ´´Daw on the floor´´. For now I am almost ready to assemble the final PD pickup replacer USB pedal controller, The Arduino whilst it can reference arrays is not in possesion of the horsepower required for real tine convolution Running Rakarracks convolvetron plugin under Linux on a Raspberry Pi Beagle or Cubino is where I am headed though, I have some LED displays I bought yesterday and will incorporate them into the Arduino shield. The pickup shield for the usb controller should be adaptable, for interfacing with the Cubino instead of the I Mac in my case. The Linux partition of my Mac is itching and all ready for the Rakarrack Daw on the Floor Project which I have been reading up on, probably unwisely, as I have been pursuing the other project.
Excuse the Rambling I guess you realise the similarities between the Loneliness of the long distance runner and the existence of the Woodshed hacker, reference the unwise multithreaded study beware approaching multiple lonely furrows metaphor,
Best wishes and thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment.
Roger
Inspiring stuff indeed! Good luck with your AdC/DaC and Rakarrack projects.
-John